After the White House released a damning transcript of Trump’s conversation with the leader of Ukraine and Trump and his fellows essentially confessed on television to their misdeeds, Trump’s defenders continue to rally around him. A key part of his early defense was claiming the whistle blower did not directly hear the conversation, therefore their assertions are but hearsay. This defense has been torpedoed as first-hand witnesses have begun testifying. One of these is Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman.

Given what the transcript already reveals, it is hardly surprising that Vindman’s testimony would be damaging to Trump. In response, Trump’s defenders have rushed to discredit Vindman. Addressing the credibility of a witness is a legitimate tactic, provided that the assessment is on relevant grounds. These include such factors as the witness’ knowledge and objectivity. In the case of Vindman, his expertise is not in question, so the focus is on his objectivity.
It is at this point that a Two Sides Problem arises. Trump’s defenders are one side, his foes on the other side. In this situation, the manifestation of the problem is that Trump’s side is concerned with winning; that is defending Trump regardless of what he has done. These defenders will certainly paint their opponents with the same brush, seeing them as concerned only with defeating Trump by any means necessary.
When people focus solely on winning, they are not following on any principle beyond victory for their side. Because of this, they are often willing to use whatever means will help them achieve this goal. Considerations of truth, morality, and justice often seem to have no weight. People caught up in this Two Sides situation also accept claims offered by their side and reject those presented by the other side simply because of their origin rather than their merit.
Naturally, a utilitarian moral argument could be used to try to justify this approach—the good generated by the Trump presidency warrants all means to keep him in office. Or the evil generated by the Trump presidency warrants any means to remove him from office.
It is worth noting that to simply assume that because there are two sides that both must automatically fall into this Two Sides trap would be an error. People can resist the psychological and pragmatic appeal of sticking to their side in the face of the truth and goodness. Also, it would be an error to infer that because there are two sides with a stake in the matter, that they must be equally bad or in error. One side can be better, although both could be bad.
In this case, Trump’s defenders seem to be the worse side—the facts, law and morality are against them. Naturally, a clever Trump defender will assert that I must be a victim of the Two Sides problem and infer that I am therefore wrong. This logic would look like this:
Premise 1. Person A says X.
Premise 2. Person A is on the other side (not mine).
Conclusion: X is false.
This is simply a variant of an ad hominem and thus a fallacy. What would be needed is more than pointing out I am on the non-Trump side; evidence is needed to show that I am wrong.
As would be expected in a Two Sides situation like this, there has been a concerted effort to try to demonize those who are testifying. Trump’s Defenders been advancing the narrative that Vindman might have been secretly working for Ukrainian interests at the expense of the United States. One piece of “evidence” being offered is the assertion that Vindman is from Ukraine and this is supposed to affect his loyalty. The historical fact is that Vindman’s family was forced to flee the Soviet Union, which seems an unlikely basis for an alleged loyalty to Ukraine. This accusation of dual loyalty is also especially insulting because Vindman is Jewish and this is a stock tool of anti-Semitism. They are trying to cast Vindman as a villain. Those who disagree with Trump, while right to defend Vindman using good methods need to beware of falling into the hero trap—believing that someone who advances your side must thus be right and good. This does not follow and is a positive ad hominem fallacy.
Trump’s defenders have been working this talking point asserting that Vindman has an “affinity for the Ukraine.” Sean Duffy presented this in a rather odd argument. Duffy tried to smear Vindman by asserting that he had an affinity for Ukraine and hence would put the defense of Ukraine ahead of the defense of the United States. When challenged on this point, Duffy referenced his own Irish heritage and asserted that he had an affinity for Ireland. Interviewer John Berman drew the obvious inference from what Duffy said, inquiring if he would pick Irish defense over U.S. defense.
While Duffy is correct that many Americans with foreign heritage have an affinity for these countries, it is quite a leap from that to the notion that most would prioritize these countries over the United States. If Duffy were right that Americans with foreign heritage (which would include Trump’s wife and children) should be regarded as likely traitors, then it would follow that nearly all Americans are likely to be traitors. To his credit, Duffy seemed to be making that very point about himself.
Accepting that America is a nation of traitors seems to be a high price to pay to discredit Vindman. But when victory for one’s side is all that matters, there seem to be few limits on the means employed. Fortunately, Duffy is relying on an inductive generalization from a sample of one (himself) to make this point. Since the strength of an inductive generalization depends on the size and representativeness of the sample, Duffy’s argument here is extremely weak. Even if he harbors treasonous thoughts in favor of Ireland over the United States, it hardly follows that others do.
Duffy could also be seen as making an argument by analogy. He seemed to be asserting that he would pick Ireland over the United States because of his Irish heritage and inferring from this that Vindman would do the same for his country of origin. Being an argument by analogy, this would be assessed in terms of the similarity between the two men. Vindman is a Lieutenant Colonel who received a Purple Heart in combat and has served his country well. Duffy’s claim to fame is his time served on MTV’s The Real World and Real World/Road Rules Challenge. As such, the two men are not that alike, and it would be a poor argument to draw an inference about Vindman’s loyalty to America from Duffy’s apparent profession of a lack of loyalty.
It must be noted that it is legitimate to consider the objectivity of a witness. If there was actual evidence that Vindman was biased or had dual loyalty, then this would undermine his credibility. But the attacks against him simply assert that because he has a foreign origin, he must be biased or have a dual loyalty. As noted above, this attack would discredit almost all Americans if it worked. As such, until evidence that specifically shows that Vindman is biased or has dual loyalty, then these attacks are baseless.
These attacks against Vindman show how those trapped in the Two Sides Problem can quickly cast those they present as heroes as villains whenever the need suits them—that is, when they believe doing so will help their side win. Republicans and Trump are happy to exploit the troops and rush to use them for political purposes (such as in Trump’s attacks on Colin Kaepernick), but when a soldier shows true patriotism by doing what is right and putting country over Trump, then Trump and many Republicans rush to cast him as a villain.
What did we learn from Vindman that wasn’t already known from the transcript?
Mike, can you be specific about what Trump did that in your view warrants impeachment?
What you are calling the Two Sides Problem first engaged me seriously when I started to enquire into Climate Change (né Global Warming). It seemed to me staggering that so many people with generally left-wing views follow one of the alarmist interpretations, and so many with right-wing views follow dismissive interpretations. I’ve read many compilations of statistics associating these, and while the measurements are vague, the correlations are overwhelming. It still leaves me open-mouthed when I read some left-leaning (and it is always left-leaning) commentator use this as evidence for the alarmist tendency, with apparently no consciousness at all that the phenomenon is perfectly symmetrical. A perfect example of the Two Sides problem, in which the participant is not even aware that their judgement has been corrupted.
It is as if people were divided on a left-right basis about the freezing point of water, or the density of iron.
However, unlike those, which are simple testable facts, atmospheric physics, solar physics, the carbon cycle, and proxy reconstructions provide millions of facts, measurements with errors and biases, hypotheticals, models we cannot validate, and known and unknown unknowns, from which it is possible to choose weights to support almost any conclusion. And yet, left-leaners overwhelmingly favour one set, while right-leaners pick another, I do not understand it.
The Ukraine question, though, from my knowledge of what has been released so far, does not provide a rich set of facts and hypotheses from which to choose. And there is a perfect symmetry with Biden.
Both Trump and Biden were arguably serving US interests in dealing with possible corruption in Ukraine. Both Trump and Biden also stood to gain from their interventions. However, their ability to claim that they were doing their respective jobs is an absolute defence, and while I might raise eyebrows at certain elements of each story, I could not vote guilty in any fair proceeding. That is all. That is the end of the issue for me.
I might understand someone feeling that the conflict of interests was enough to convict in both cases. I disagree, but I could understand it. If, however, someone says that one case was innocent and the other a crime, they would have to bring information that is nowhere near the table at the moment for me to respect that. These other witnesses like Vindman bring no new information; just opinion and bias, and an opportunity for the prosecutors to say nasty things about Trump.
On a separate issue, if this backstory of the whistleblower holds up, together with the change in the rules that llowed him and his two friends in Schiff’s office to bring this on the record, there is a legitimate investigation to be made into the poison at the root of this tree:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html
As far as I can tell, it has been official U.S. policy for some time to push Ukraine to reduce corruption. It is also U.S. policy to investigate foreign meddling in our elections.
If the Bidens were not doing anything wrong, I do not see why an investigation would be a problem for them.
If Trump had asked Ukraine for a dishonest investigation, or to uncover anything but the truth, then I would have a problem with that. Clearly, if he wanted to do that, he should have done it through cutouts the way Hillary did with the Steele dossier 🙂
Bingo.
Ad-hominem arguments aside. If it is accepted that both sides do, and will do the same, is it not also so that society is exhibiting exactly what it does and has accepted as normal? If that is correct ethical relativity rules; and all is good!
Check out the date:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/20/the-campaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/
Mike, you can expect the same treatment the next time a Dem wins.
Edward Westermarck in his book Ethical Relativity (1932) provided the following example which seems an appropriate response: “If God were not supposed to be all-good, we might certainly be induced by prudence to obey his decrees, but they could not lay claim to moral validity; suppose the devil were to take over the government of the world, what influence would that have on the moral values–would it make the right wrong and the wrong right? It is only the all-goodness of God that can give his commandments absolute moral validity.”
The steady thirty percent support for Trump cannot be something which may be written out of a nations cultural context. Regulative remedial action in progress is not an outcome which may be holistically taken as indicative of the considered/accepted cultural wrongness of the acts being considered.
TJ, I look forward to your response to Ian’s comment. For God’s sake man, don’t disregard such erudite elucidation. It would not be prudent at this juncture.
Ian, it is clear that cultural peristalsis is needed to properly cleanse society’s collective colon. Once completed, the metaphorical endoscope can directly image the bleeding societal polyps, garrote them, and cauterize the wound, leaving society in a weakened but cancer-free state.
I could not have said it better myself. I really could not. Honest injun.
If your comment is substantially understood you are relying upon the conclusion of output from a politically determined judicial process to improve comfort, enabling hindsight to become the newsight allowing due credit to be claimed both before and after. Motivationally reassuring; but appearing here more as a political circle than the chimes of any bell aiming at creating a possibility for a generally robust generic understanding, minimizing outcomes similar to that presented by the theme of the Paul Haggis 2004 film Crash.
What Ian said. Damn dude. You’re such a fucking idiot. You really should shut up. You’re embarrassing yourself. Right Ian? I’m sure Mike would agree.